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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, '12, 2:45 am 
As I recall, Mieu and Wren were around for the Devastation War. We don't know exactly when they came online, as far as I know. For the Japanese games, the Devastation War happens around the time of PSIV. That puts Demi around 300 years old when the war starts. And of course with the English games and the lack of the 1000 year difference, Mieu and Wren's part on the Alisa III wouldn't end until after PSIV.

I agree, Mieu's fate would depend on the ship. She'll stay with Rhys' family as long as possible. After that? Maybe she'll look for another Orakian ruler to follow or retreat from people once again, due to the pain of losing the people who have come to be her own family.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, '12, 8:50 am 
Thoul wrote:As I recall, Mieu and Wren were around for the Devastation War. We don't know exactly when they came online, as far as I know. For the Japanese games, the Devastation War happens around the time of PSIV. That puts Demi around 300 years old when the war starts. And of course with the English games and the lack of the 1000 year difference, Mieu and Wren's part on the Alisa III wouldn't end until after PSIV.

I agree, Mieu's fate would depend on the ship. She'll stay with Rhys' family as long as possible. After that? Maybe she'll look for another Orakian ruler to follow or retreat from people once again, due to the pain of losing the people who have come to be her own family.

If we take the time travel ending as the canon ending, then the question will be, was she remaining on Earth. The Earthmen destroyed their planet although we don't know if they actually blew it up or just made in uninhabitable. In that last case, suppose Mieu retreated to be alone, she might be left to rust on a lonely planet. It also makes you wonder if the Palmans mingled with the Earthmen and assimilated into their society or not.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, '12, 10:22 am 
wren is a differnt story, i am convinced ps3 and ps4 wren are the same person. it wouldn't be hard to travel to zelan satelite in one of the endings...


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, '12, 10:29 am 
No, it's sure that Wren in PSIII and PSIV aren't the same ! Their japanese names are different and there is no real link which can tied them together...:)


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, '12, 4:49 pm 
Yes, but the translations screwed up more obvious things ;)


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, '12, 12:40 pm 
You're right : translations are often (always !) very confusing for the fans...for me the "original ves=rsion" is the canonical one but I know that some people don't agree : hard to really tell !!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 7, '14, 3:00 pm 
Wasnt Wren a "type" of cyborg and not the actual name? I dont know anything about the timelines, never dove into it, but having Wren of both games be the same age would be just like having 2 of the same vehicles being produced.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 9, '14, 12:34 pm 
Keep in mind that PSIII Wren was either around before the explosion of Palma and otherwise created on the Alisa III. PSIV Wren was created after the destruction of MoBrain I think. If PSIIIW was created before the explosion of Palma it could mean they are still both units of the same series but it's likely the design was altered. Of course they are most likely at least based on the same blueprints given their physical similarities and capabilities (both offensive cyborgs).


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, '14, 1:39 pm 
Are we going by the Japanese or American timeline here? It matters since there is some divergence in the timelines between the Japanese and American releases. Assuming I remember the dates right, here's the Japanese timeline:

AW/Space Century 384: Phantasy Star I
AW 1384: Phantasy Star II
AW 2384: Phantasy Star IV
AW 3384: Phantasy Star III

I think the exact date of PSII/Japan may not be 1000 years (900 and change) after PS1, but it's close enough for this discussion.

So in the Japanese timeline, the Orakio/Laya war would've taken place at the same time as PSIV, and PSIII took place 1000 years after PSIV.

Now in the American timeline, the dates are pretty much the same except that PSIII and PSIV took place at the same time, instead of PSIII taking place 1000 years after PSIV.

I'm not going to go off into a tangent about "translation purity" when it comes to the timelines. That's off-topic here. However, I think it's safe to say that both Wrens were, at least in the American timeline, probably built around the same time from similar blueprints. PSIV also demonstrated there were several different "Wren-type" 'bots in production, courtesy of some of the enemies encountered in techno dungeons -- i.e. Somethingwren286, Shiren386, and Bowren486.

In the Japanese timeline, PSIV Wren was probably built earlier than PSIII Wren.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, '14, 6:16 pm 
Since PSIII Wren can transform I think while they might be built in the same decade, they are different models. I don't know how old Wren in PSIII is supposed to be, but he had been around for a long time. The question is, is the vehicle mode something PSIII Wren expanded upon the original model or was PSIV Wren a "budget" model with the transformation mode removed?


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