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 Post subject: Re: Ebola
PostPosted: Thu Nov 6, '14, 1:51 am 
Read today that the Spanish Nurse who had ebola is doing very well now and I think the article said she is being released from the hospital. Sad that her dog was put down. I wonder if they even tried to find out if the dog was suffering any symptoms or not?? Oh well, hopefully she will find her another animal companion soon. Other than this I haven't heard too much about the ebola situation recently. That's got to be good news in itself.


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 Post subject: Re: Ebola
PostPosted: Thu Nov 6, '14, 6:21 pm 
I think in terms of hearing about it, that's because it's been overshadowed by the elections, and all the cases outside Africa are basically done.

Thing is, it's still horribly ravaging Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, but I don't expect much of the media to care enough to cover that fact until another case crops up outside those countries.


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 Post subject: Re: Ebola
PostPosted: Fri Nov 7, '14, 10:55 pm 
Wolf Bird wrote: I'm not so sure about why military troops...seems more health people would be better, but whatever.


The US military is first hand when it comes to medicine, by numbers of medically trained personnel and publications of research. Every branch, (which doesnt count marines or coast guard as a branch in themselves,) and also including the little spoke of branch of the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, has huge contributions by medical personnel, civilian, enlisted, and officer, to the field of medicine. Not to mention the unpublished, which cant be discussed (usually to their own people)

WHO does a lot and by no means am I understating their efforts. But the US military has a highly skilled and trained medical force. An upwards number of over 1 million medical personnel.

sounds like a recruitment ad, but seriously, all data.

http://www.usuhs.mil ---the main research and training grounds, but not exclusively since the separate branches have different schools for different specialties.

http://www.usphs.gov --the pub health corps. public health is a form of defense after all. these guys are the ones who will cure the black plague.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed --international journal source. if you want to count the number of research articles registered by usuhs versus other agencies.

and yes, upwards to and exceeding 1 million medical technicians, scientists, nurse, PhD, and physicians trained and qualified.


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 Post subject: Re: Ebola
PostPosted: Fri Nov 7, '14, 11:14 pm 
and my view?

its complicated. as a people with the resources to help alleviate the disease, by all means something should be done.

as the disease is in itself, anyone who goes over there does risk death to thyself and the people they come into contact with, whether its a patient or coworker. Both a risk over there and back in the US or wherever.
And yes even if youre a disease positive nurse with "no symptoms", yes you are a vector and risk. ( after all, would anyone make a logical decision to have unprotected sex with an hiv-positive person? or swap spit with someone with no symptoms, but positive for tuberculosis?) All the same for this disease which is transferred by vector to vector via respiration. you can still be a vector to transfer your seropositive sputum to as you mouthbreath and refuse quarantine. (nothing against nurses, everything against people with the lack of training or data exposure to make risky medical decisions, including judges, nurses, and anyone in between who may make risky decisions that may hurt others.)

my apologies, i feel strongly about anything which may hurt others against the thought of logic.

Should we deploy people there? If we, the US, doesnt, who will?

Yes other countries and organisations have competent medical staff---and its great that they assist as much as "we" assist--however, we as a highly militarised and medical oriented nation, can stay at the sidelines and watch, its not the right thing to do.

evil succeeds when good people do nothing.
and that goes for the evils of disease and germ warfare.
can we afford to stay back? can we afford not to?
there is more risk of the disease coming here undected if its not on a large scale, contaminated and quarantined.
i'd say "you all have seen 12 Monkeys" but as i think that thought, maybe some if not most posters, have not. and as i think that thought, i feel incredibly old at a young age.


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 Post subject: Re: Ebola
PostPosted: Sat Nov 8, '14, 7:21 am 
Zio_Falz wrote:
Wolf Bird wrote: I'm not so sure about why military troops...seems more health people would be better, but whatever.


The US military is first hand when it comes to medicine, by numbers of medically trained personnel and publications of research. Every branch, (which doesnt count marines or coast guard as a branch in themselves,) and also including the little spoke of branch of the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, has huge contributions by medical personnel, civilian, enlisted, and officer, to the field of medicine. Not to mention the unpublished, which cant be discussed (usually to their own people)

WHO does a lot and by no means am I understating their efforts. But the US military has a highly skilled and trained medical force. An upwards number of over 1 million medical personnel.

sounds like a recruitment ad, but seriously, all data.

http://www.usuhs.mil ---the main research and training grounds, but not exclusively since the separate branches have different schools for different specialties.

http://www.usphs.gov --the pub health corps. public health is a form of defense after all. these guys are the ones who will cure the black plague.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed --international journal source. if you want to count the number of research articles registered by usuhs versus other agencies.

and yes, upwards to and exceeding 1 million medical technicians, scientists, nurse, PhD, and physicians trained and qualified.


Thanks for sharing this info. Since I wrote that post, I've become a lot more educated on what exactly the military is doing/can do in terms of handling ebola overseas, and it's quite fascinating. They definitely have people and agencies within their structure that are well qualified to be a part of addressing this problem. But one of the potential rubs worth thinking about is that these countries are all former colonies, and a military presence could very well be viewed quite warily by the population. I've heard this issue come up and be debated in several different radio shows I listen to when they talk about ebola. Not that it's an easy issue to solve, and one without consequences either way.

Also, pubmed is one of the greatest things on the internet. I've used it for research many times before and will probably continue doing so, for work and quite possibly for my Master's thesis.


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 Post subject: Re: Ebola
PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, '14, 6:26 pm 
Condolences to the family of the latest victim of this dreaded disease. The doctor who was flown in to a hospital in Nebraska did not survive. I feared as much when they showed them carrying him in to the hospital on a stretcher. Many of the other ebola patients were able to walk in to the hospitals on their own merits.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/martin ... cid=AARDHP

On the bright side though it looks as if all other patients who have been treated in the US have been able to leave the hospitals for now.


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 Post subject: Re: Ebola
PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, '14, 1:08 am 
Time magazine's person of the year for 2014 is "the ebola fighters":

http://time.com/time-person-of-the-year ... rs-choice/


Do you agree with their choice or do you think it should have been someone else?


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 Post subject: Re: Ebola
PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, '14, 1:33 am 
Absolutely. All of these people put their lives at potential risk willingly and put a hold on their own lives, to help some of the most underserved, disadvantaged people on earth with a horrific, often fatal disease.


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 Post subject: Re: Ebola
PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, '15, 2:44 am 
Heard on the news today that there was a possible ebola case in a hospital in California:

http://news.yahoo.com/suspected-ebola-p ... 09183.html

Hope they recover quickly.

On the world front though it looks like ebola is not causing as much havic as it once was:

https://www.yahoo.com/health/positive-n ... 24762.html


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 Post subject: Re: Ebola
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, '15, 2:21 am 
Thought we had heard the last about this topic, or hoped we had anyway, however it seems one person that previously had the ebola disease and recovered has now had a relapse:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ebo ... cid=AARDHP

Just goes to show there is still a lot about this disease that is not known yet.


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