tilinelson2 wrote:They were overused clichés in animes and mangas already when PSIV was made.
Tanith wrote:Well said, Tili.
Also, remember that not all clichés are bad. They exist because it's difficult to tell a story without them, especially in genre fic. What makes the biggest difference is how effectively they're used.
Very true, and even on the homepage of TV Tropes, they insist that the site is about tropes and not clichés. Yet, many of the articles on the site are clearly about clichés to me. Basically, it's all subjective. (And about how these literary devices are used, but we covered that. )augmentedfourth wrote:Exactly. And don't forget there's a very fine line between "cliché" and "trope".
D'oh! I always forget about Lyle! His death was surprising. I thought he had come back from the brink after the Layan onslaught, and then he's a dragon (yay!) and then... he died. Whoa, wut? I guess since he wasn't in the active party when he died, and because his death is dissimilar to the way Alys and Nei were martyred, he doesn't come up in these discussions much. This probably applies to the deaths of Ayn and Thea, too.augmentedfourth wrote:Meandering back on topic, I was spoiled for the deaths of both Alys and Nei. Lyle's death surprised and saddened me, though. (Lyle is AWESOME. He is a DRAGON.)
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